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	<title>Comments on: Kannapell&#8217;s 1993 Paper Revisited</title>
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		<title>By: Bushra Khan</title>
		<link>http://www.deafeyeseeit.com/2009/08/15/kannapells-1993-paper-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-3896</link>
		<dc:creator>Bushra Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 02:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Madeam,

Hello, I am at Beijing,China. I still attend to Action Aid.

I have read your article which is interesting to me.

I would like to ask you some questions:

1. Do you know any Career Self-Assessments for the Deaf online free?

I would be grateful if  you could give some details.

I hope to hear from you soon.

Thank you,

Bushra Khan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Madeam,</p>
<p>Hello, I am at Beijing,China. I still attend to Action Aid.</p>
<p>I have read your article which is interesting to me.</p>
<p>I would like to ask you some questions:</p>
<p>1. Do you know any Career Self-Assessments for the Deaf online free?</p>
<p>I would be grateful if  you could give some details.</p>
<p>I hope to hear from you soon.</p>
<p>Thank you,</p>
<p>Bushra Khan</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 02:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Kannapell&#039;s paper is interesting.  Some of the heirarchy categories I could argue with a bit, especially ones that lie right next to each other. 

Also in the Deaf community heirarchy, I think that sign skill is just as important as hearing status.  So where she has hearing people at the bottom (and does not mention CODAs, so I am not sure if she included CODA in her thinking of hearing people?), I would argue that a hearing person with native or strong ASL  might have more power in the Deaf community than a deaf or hard of hearing person who is in one of the lower categories or less fluent in ASL.  This is why we have some hearing and interpreters who seem to consider themselves more deaf or their opinions worth more to the deaf community than some deaf or hard of hearing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Kannapell&#8217;s paper is interesting.  Some of the heirarchy categories I could argue with a bit, especially ones that lie right next to each other. </p>
<p>Also in the Deaf community heirarchy, I think that sign skill is just as important as hearing status.  So where she has hearing people at the bottom (and does not mention CODAs, so I am not sure if she included CODA in her thinking of hearing people?), I would argue that a hearing person with native or strong ASL  might have more power in the Deaf community than a deaf or hard of hearing person who is in one of the lower categories or less fluent in ASL.  This is why we have some hearing and interpreters who seem to consider themselves more deaf or their opinions worth more to the deaf community than some deaf or hard of hearing.</p>
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		<title>By: Former oralist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Former oralist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Robert Hawkins:

Federal Government already did research on deaf education twice:

1965 - Babbidge Report on oralism failures

1988 - Commission on Education of the deaf - again oralism failures

What does that entail?

Why is everyone sticking their heads in grounds like ostriches?

Time to stop audism!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Robert Hawkins:</p>
<p>Federal Government already did research on deaf education twice:</p>
<p>1965 &#8211; Babbidge Report on oralism failures</p>
<p>1988 &#8211; Commission on Education of the deaf &#8211; again oralism failures</p>
<p>What does that entail?</p>
<p>Why is everyone sticking their heads in grounds like ostriches?</p>
<p>Time to stop audism!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Alfred Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://www.deafeyeseeit.com/2009/08/15/kannapells-1993-paper-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-3582</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Alfred Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By methodologies I meant which mode of communication: Real (not grassroots) American Sign Language and other sign systems (SEE, etc.), Cued Speech/English, Aural and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By methodologies I meant which mode of communication: Real (not grassroots) American Sign Language and other sign systems (SEE, etc.), Cued Speech/English, Aural and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Alfred Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://www.deafeyeseeit.com/2009/08/15/kannapells-1993-paper-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-3581</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Alfred Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Input needs to be most objective as in unbiased. I can&#039;t at all say for many representing various sides in the spectrum of Deaf Education. The Federal government needs to publish data for all to see.

That way schools will no longer be able to skirt and hide statistics and resort to smoke screens (e.g. claiming to use the county public school curriculum but not actually applying the rigors across the board). 

This includes comparisons of not two but three different basic settings: Deaf Schools (with a sub-category for ASL / Bi-Bi); Self-Contained Classes in non-Deaf schools; Real Mainstreaming only in the core areas of academics within non-Deaf schools. 

WIthin and across above comparisons there&#039;s a need to publish data by methodologies used within each component of Deaf Education.

One word for you: transparency. It&#039;s pointless debating without hard data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Input needs to be most objective as in unbiased. I can&#8217;t at all say for many representing various sides in the spectrum of Deaf Education. The Federal government needs to publish data for all to see.</p>
<p>That way schools will no longer be able to skirt and hide statistics and resort to smoke screens (e.g. claiming to use the county public school curriculum but not actually applying the rigors across the board). </p>
<p>This includes comparisons of not two but three different basic settings: Deaf Schools (with a sub-category for ASL / Bi-Bi); Self-Contained Classes in non-Deaf schools; Real Mainstreaming only in the core areas of academics within non-Deaf schools. </p>
<p>WIthin and across above comparisons there&#8217;s a need to publish data by methodologies used within each component of Deaf Education.</p>
<p>One word for you: transparency. It&#8217;s pointless debating without hard data.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 04:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just because someone is deaf -- in any flavor -- does not make them qualified.  Assuming a hearing person is fluent in ASL, I would choose a qualified hearing person over an unqualified deaf person.  Damage has occurred in schools and agencies because of unqualified deaf people getting positions on basis of their position on the Deaf power structure.  

Deafism is just as bad as audism, if not worse, because deaf people will put their trust in another deaf person assuming s/he will do the right thing because s/he is deaf too.  Instead of looking at someone&#039;s position on the power structure, I look at them as human beings.  What are their qualifications, experiences, knowledge, skills, reputation, integrity, and moral values?  Track record as an administrator, teacher, etc.?  Those are the things that really matter.  It&#039;s ironic to me that Deaf of Deaf put boxes around their ears just as much as they accuse hearing people of doing.  

I do agree with Mr. Hawkins that I do not like hearing people who know nothing about deaf people or deaf education making decisions about our schooling without any input from trained specialists such as are available at residential schools for the deaf.  Hopefully that is one of the things that has changed since 1993.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because someone is deaf &#8212; in any flavor &#8212; does not make them qualified.  Assuming a hearing person is fluent in ASL, I would choose a qualified hearing person over an unqualified deaf person.  Damage has occurred in schools and agencies because of unqualified deaf people getting positions on basis of their position on the Deaf power structure.  </p>
<p>Deafism is just as bad as audism, if not worse, because deaf people will put their trust in another deaf person assuming s/he will do the right thing because s/he is deaf too.  Instead of looking at someone&#8217;s position on the power structure, I look at them as human beings.  What are their qualifications, experiences, knowledge, skills, reputation, integrity, and moral values?  Track record as an administrator, teacher, etc.?  Those are the things that really matter.  It&#8217;s ironic to me that Deaf of Deaf put boxes around their ears just as much as they accuse hearing people of doing.  </p>
<p>I do agree with Mr. Hawkins that I do not like hearing people who know nothing about deaf people or deaf education making decisions about our schooling without any input from trained specialists such as are available at residential schools for the deaf.  Hopefully that is one of the things that has changed since 1993.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Riley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay (#3), It is simply not true to say that state-run schools for the deaf are disappearing.  In the last eight years ONLY ONE school was closed (one of two schools in Virginia). The Scranton school was not closed, but simply turned into a quasi-governmental school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay (#3), It is simply not true to say that state-run schools for the deaf are disappearing.  In the last eight years ONLY ONE school was closed (one of two schools in Virginia). The Scranton school was not closed, but simply turned into a quasi-governmental school.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Alfred Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Alfred Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Secondly, many Deaf of Deaf who were mainstreamed (specifically in classes with hearing pupils) don&#039;t talk much about it especially on the &quot;academic&quot; side of this because they fear insulting Deaf schools in general. 

The Deaf Schools vs. Mainstreaming debate is a sham because it often excludes the deaf in truly mainstream settings NOT self-contained classes for the Deaf.

Mainstreamed Deaf Students are those who attend classes with interpreters. Period. NOT those who attends Self-Contained Classes for Deaf students in non-Deaf schools.

(MOST DEBATED)
Deaf Schools vs. Self-Contained Deaf in non-Deaf Schools (wrongfully lumped nowadays as mainstreaming)

(OFTEN AVOIDED BY DEAF SCHOOLS)
Deaf Schools vs. Mainstreamed Deaf Students in non-Deaf Schools. 

(A DEBATE I&#039;D LOVE TO SEE)
Self-Contained Deaf in non-Deaf Schools (wrongfully lumped nowadays as mainstreaming) vs. Mainstreamed Deaf Students in non-Deaf Schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Secondly, many Deaf of Deaf who were mainstreamed (specifically in classes with hearing pupils) don&#8217;t talk much about it especially on the &#8220;academic&#8221; side of this because they fear insulting Deaf schools in general. </p>
<p>The Deaf Schools vs. Mainstreaming debate is a sham because it often excludes the deaf in truly mainstream settings NOT self-contained classes for the Deaf.</p>
<p>Mainstreamed Deaf Students are those who attend classes with interpreters. Period. NOT those who attends Self-Contained Classes for Deaf students in non-Deaf schools.</p>
<p>(MOST DEBATED)<br />
Deaf Schools vs. Self-Contained Deaf in non-Deaf Schools (wrongfully lumped nowadays as mainstreaming)</p>
<p>(OFTEN AVOIDED BY DEAF SCHOOLS)<br />
Deaf Schools vs. Mainstreamed Deaf Students in non-Deaf Schools. </p>
<p>(A DEBATE I&#8217;D LOVE TO SEE)<br />
Self-Contained Deaf in non-Deaf Schools (wrongfully lumped nowadays as mainstreaming) vs. Mainstreamed Deaf Students in non-Deaf Schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Alfred Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Alfred Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m Deaf and a native user of ASL. I&#039;m the furthest biased. I don&#039;t like non-Deaf in charge of anything Deaf if they don&#039;t know what they&#039;re doing. On the other side there&#039;s Deaf-centric operations there&#039;s a need to look at the long-avoided issues: cronyism, favoritism, nepotism to name three of many more underling issues the Deaf community needs to attack, address and make concessions. Aforementioned issues neglected by the Deaf will result in the Deaf community losing credibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m Deaf and a native user of ASL. I&#8217;m the furthest biased. I don&#8217;t like non-Deaf in charge of anything Deaf if they don&#8217;t know what they&#8217;re doing. On the other side there&#8217;s Deaf-centric operations there&#8217;s a need to look at the long-avoided issues: cronyism, favoritism, nepotism to name three of many more underling issues the Deaf community needs to attack, address and make concessions. Aforementioned issues neglected by the Deaf will result in the Deaf community losing credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I speak as an employee at one of the &quot;bi-bi&quot; schools for the deaf.  At my school, the majority of people in administrative positions are Deaf of Deaf.  One school year, ALL of the new teachers that were hired were deaf.  I&#039;m not sure the current percentage of deaf to hearing teachers, but it&#039;s probably 50% or more.  The language of instruction is ASL exclusively.  

Sounds good, right?  Well, some of these Deaf of Deaf administrators would like to, or are actively trying to eliminate aspects of the program having anything to do with speech and hearing, and anything that smacks of the medical model of deafness, such as assessments and IEPs.  Our superintendent has talked for years about establishing a CI program, but it&#039;s not happening.  My personal opinion is that Deaf of Deaf educators want total control of schools for the deaf so that they can recreate deaf education like it used to be in the glory days before Milan 1880 when, supposedly, every deaf person was literate in English and was employed in a skilled vocation.   

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I&#039;m in favor of ASL as the language of instruction for SOME deaf students.  Based on my experience, I just don&#039;t believe it should be the only option.  By not accommodating deaf students with different needs and abilities, such as those who have speech, hearing, and/or CIs, I fear that student populations using ASL exclusively will continue to shrink, and deaf schools will continue to close.  My school has a job opening for which no one from outside the school applied.  Is it because some qualified applicants are hearing, fluent in ASL, but think they won&#039;t be hired because they are not deaf?  Is it because a qualified deaf person thinks because s/he does not have deaf parents or go to a deaf school is not deaf enough?  Is it because Deaf politics are not so friendly any more?  

The problem as I see it is that most Deaf of Deaf know only their own world.  They are very insular and very ethnocentric.  Insularity and ethnocentrism are the problems, not the individuals we all know and respect, if not love.  The tools are communication, a willingness to examine oneself, and engage in dialogue, in whatever language, not just ASL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I speak as an employee at one of the &#8220;bi-bi&#8221; schools for the deaf.  At my school, the majority of people in administrative positions are Deaf of Deaf.  One school year, ALL of the new teachers that were hired were deaf.  I&#8217;m not sure the current percentage of deaf to hearing teachers, but it&#8217;s probably 50% or more.  The language of instruction is ASL exclusively.  </p>
<p>Sounds good, right?  Well, some of these Deaf of Deaf administrators would like to, or are actively trying to eliminate aspects of the program having anything to do with speech and hearing, and anything that smacks of the medical model of deafness, such as assessments and IEPs.  Our superintendent has talked for years about establishing a CI program, but it&#8217;s not happening.  My personal opinion is that Deaf of Deaf educators want total control of schools for the deaf so that they can recreate deaf education like it used to be in the glory days before Milan 1880 when, supposedly, every deaf person was literate in English and was employed in a skilled vocation.   </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I&#8217;m in favor of ASL as the language of instruction for SOME deaf students.  Based on my experience, I just don&#8217;t believe it should be the only option.  By not accommodating deaf students with different needs and abilities, such as those who have speech, hearing, and/or CIs, I fear that student populations using ASL exclusively will continue to shrink, and deaf schools will continue to close.  My school has a job opening for which no one from outside the school applied.  Is it because some qualified applicants are hearing, fluent in ASL, but think they won&#8217;t be hired because they are not deaf?  Is it because a qualified deaf person thinks because s/he does not have deaf parents or go to a deaf school is not deaf enough?  Is it because Deaf politics are not so friendly any more?  </p>
<p>The problem as I see it is that most Deaf of Deaf know only their own world.  They are very insular and very ethnocentric.  Insularity and ethnocentrism are the problems, not the individuals we all know and respect, if not love.  The tools are communication, a willingness to examine oneself, and engage in dialogue, in whatever language, not just ASL.</p>
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