Comments on: ASL Music – An Oxymoron? http://www.deafeyeseeit.com/2007/10/10/asl-music-an-oxymoron/ by Amy Cohen Efron Fri, 03 Feb 2012 03:53:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Pam http://www.deafeyeseeit.com/2007/10/10/asl-music-an-oxymoron/comment-page-1/#comment-3564 Pam Sun, 09 Aug 2009 01:21:35 +0000 http://blog.deafread.com/abcohende/2007/10/10/asl-music-an-oxymoron/#comment-3564 I wanted to say that I am a parent of a HOH and is going to go totally deaf eventually. I use these youtube videos to teach my daughter vocab. The deaf school here in Rome ny will not except her in the school. She is not "deaf enough" whatever that means. She understands both asl and see. I have also heard others say she needs to be in either the deaf community or the hearing. I refuse to choose becuase she needs to function in both. Instead of saying they are wrong with the asl music educate them about the difference and come togther. I have watched one youtube guy named neutralmage. He is far better then most and my daughter and her deaf aide love to watch him. I don't find anything wrong if it makes you happy and thats the point. Thank you for letting me post. I wanted to say that I am a parent of a HOH and is going to go totally deaf eventually. I use these youtube videos to teach my daughter vocab. The deaf school here in Rome ny will not except her in the school. She is not “deaf enough” whatever that means. She understands both asl and see. I have also heard others say she needs to be in either the deaf community or the hearing. I refuse to choose becuase she needs to function in both. Instead of saying they are wrong with the asl music educate them about the difference and come togther. I have watched one youtube guy named neutralmage. He is far better then most and my daughter and her deaf aide love to watch him. I don’t find anything wrong if it makes you happy and thats the point. Thank you for letting me post.

]]> By: Virg http://www.deafeyeseeit.com/2007/10/10/asl-music-an-oxymoron/comment-page-1/#comment-3363 Virg Thu, 23 Apr 2009 12:40:30 +0000 http://blog.deafread.com/abcohende/2007/10/10/asl-music-an-oxymoron/#comment-3363 Let me introduce myself... I am neither d/Deaf nor HOH, however, I am losing my hearing so I shall be HOH someday...I have always had an interest in trying to relate to this community... As a young child I had a deaf friend and in a small town I befriended the only deaf person in my school.. I have struggled with communication but have tried as best I could. I have self-taught myself ASL vocabulary, though I have not mastered the syntax/grammar involved with this beautiful language. I transliterate songs into 'signed English' as a way of practicing and learning new words.. I do not claim to be interpreting these songs I love into ASL... I know better than that... many people in the hearing world think this is a true translation and something of beauty... to them, it is... and I do not begrudge anyone their opinion... When I view signed songs, I do pretty good in understanding them... but that is only those in the format of the English spoken language... I want to be able to understand native ASL speakers... I look at vlogs and see how little I know... I have a real struggle crossing over to the syntax and structure of this beautiful language... As I have said, I am self taught and want to learn ASL properly... I wish there was a way that I could do this... I ask for the Deaf community to be patient with me and help me... I know I am the visitor here, but I hope that I can be helped as I am open to learning as best I can... Thanks for your honesty and openness in relating Deaf culture to a representative of the hearing world... Virginia in Northern NY State... Let me introduce myself… I am neither d/Deaf nor HOH, however, I am losing my hearing so I shall be HOH someday…I have always had an interest in trying to relate to this community… As a young child I had a deaf friend and in a small town I befriended the only deaf person in my school.. I have struggled with communication but have tried as best I could.

I have self-taught myself ASL vocabulary, though I have not mastered the syntax/grammar involved with this beautiful language. I transliterate songs into ‘signed English’ as a way of practicing and learning new words.. I do not claim to be interpreting these songs I love into ASL… I know better than that… many people in the hearing world think this is a true translation and something of beauty… to them, it is… and I do not begrudge anyone their opinion…

When I view signed songs, I do pretty good in understanding them… but that is only those in the format of the English spoken language… I want to be able to understand native ASL speakers… I look at vlogs and see how little I know… I have a real struggle crossing over to the syntax and structure of this beautiful language…

As I have said, I am self taught and want to learn ASL properly… I wish there was a way that I could do this… I ask for the Deaf community to be patient with me and help me… I know I am the visitor here, but I hope that I can be helped as I am open to learning as best I can…

Thanks for your honesty and openness in relating Deaf culture to a representative of the hearing world…

Virginia in Northern NY State…

]]> By: anon http://www.deafeyeseeit.com/2007/10/10/asl-music-an-oxymoron/comment-page-1/#comment-1304 anon Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:31:38 +0000 http://blog.deafread.com/abcohende/2007/10/10/asl-music-an-oxymoron/#comment-1304 i think this is a perfect example of how a few people in the deaf world, try to push a wedge between the 'deaf world' and the 'hearing world'. When hearing people have a pasion for signing (either asl, or see) and you continue to find reasons why it is inappropriate, or inaccurate, then eventually the hearing will stop having that passion and drive to try to help and 'merge' the two worlds. you have no right to complain about equality, if everytime someone puts effort forth to try to share, you knock them down. people like you are the first to stand up and complain that you are not being treated 'fairly' or 'equally', but when efforts are made, you dont want to accept them, and help mend the two worlds. i think this is a perfect example of how a few people in the deaf world, try to push a wedge between the ‘deaf world’ and the ‘hearing world’. When hearing people have a pasion for signing (either asl, or see) and you continue to find reasons why it is inappropriate, or inaccurate, then eventually the hearing will stop having that passion and drive to try to help and ‘merge’ the two worlds. you have no right to complain about equality, if everytime someone puts effort forth to try to share, you knock them down. people like you are the first to stand up and complain that you are not being treated ‘fairly’ or ‘equally’, but when efforts are made, you dont want to accept them, and help mend the two worlds.

]]> By: Thinker in Austin http://www.deafeyeseeit.com/2007/10/10/asl-music-an-oxymoron/comment-page-1/#comment-1303 Thinker in Austin Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:28:50 +0000 http://blog.deafread.com/abcohende/2007/10/10/asl-music-an-oxymoron/#comment-1303 You tell me about it... :-) I am ASL major and 100% agree with you!!! You tell me about it… :-) I am ASL major and 100% agree with you!!!

]]> By: Oscar Serna http://www.deafeyeseeit.com/2007/10/10/asl-music-an-oxymoron/comment-page-1/#comment-1302 Oscar Serna Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:25:55 +0000 http://blog.deafread.com/abcohende/2007/10/10/asl-music-an-oxymoron/#comment-1302 [riffly_video]C733C766868611DC926B142736138D18[/riffly_video] [riffly_video]C733C766868611DC926B142736138D18[/riffly_video]

]]> By: Oscar Serna http://www.deafeyeseeit.com/2007/10/10/asl-music-an-oxymoron/comment-page-1/#comment-1300 Oscar Serna Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:11:27 +0000 http://blog.deafread.com/abcohende/2007/10/10/asl-music-an-oxymoron/#comment-1300 Well, I used to attend a Baptist Church and even train to be a preacher for four years at that church's college. Anyway, when the interpreter didn't take time to read the songs and think out ASL translation, it tends to be PSE. So I often saw the looks in other deaf people that is similar to when people sign too English-y to them. It is because the interpreters often didn't take time to study songs in hymn books and translate them and practice them. Often they just check out the number the choir master gave them before the service, and it is it. *growl* That is why we Deaf people just felt like we were just copying signs oftentimes. It was terrible too for special songs because it is rare that interpreters knew that special song by heart and practiced correct translation. Would it make them ASL music? No way! Personally, I don't think the word "music" is proper anyway because music means the noises made by instruments (natural or otherwise). I think it should be called ASL song. But it is an oxyomoron if the interpreter just know it by heart but NOT TRANSLATING IT! But I didn't expect that much from them since most of them are terrible interpreters on the basis that they had not been professionally trained but rather had learned sign langauge by interaction with Deaf ministry and it was it. *shake head in disapproval* That was the area my old church need to figure out how ot improve. *shrug* If ever I visit it again, I will be sure to give them my opinion, now that I have a good way to express needs as an strong thinking-for-myself Deaf *smiles*. Again good topic, Amy! And don't worry about RSS feed for comments link, I finally figured out how ot subscribe to yours *smile*. Looking forward for more from you! Well, I used to attend a Baptist Church and even train to be a preacher for four years at that church’s college. Anyway, when the interpreter didn’t take time to read the songs and think out ASL translation, it tends to be PSE. So I often saw the looks in other deaf people that is similar to when people sign too English-y to them. It is because the interpreters often didn’t take time to study songs in hymn books and translate them and practice them. Often they just check out the number the choir master gave them before the service, and it is it. *growl* That is why we Deaf people just felt like we were just copying signs oftentimes. It was terrible too for special songs because it is rare that interpreters knew that special song by heart and practiced correct translation.

Would it make them ASL music? No way! Personally, I don’t think the word “music” is proper anyway because music means the noises made by instruments (natural or otherwise). I think it should be called ASL song. But it is an oxyomoron if the interpreter just know it by heart but NOT TRANSLATING IT! But I didn’t expect that much from them since most of them are terrible interpreters on the basis that they had not been professionally trained but rather had learned sign langauge by interaction with Deaf ministry and it was it. *shake head in disapproval* That was the area my old church need to figure out how ot improve. *shrug* If ever I visit it again, I will be sure to give them my opinion, now that I have a good way to express needs as an strong thinking-for-myself Deaf *smiles*.

Again good topic, Amy! And don’t worry about RSS feed for comments link, I finally figured out how ot subscribe to yours *smile*. Looking forward for more from you!

]]> By: Tia http://www.deafeyeseeit.com/2007/10/10/asl-music-an-oxymoron/comment-page-1/#comment-1301 Tia Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:11:36 +0000 http://blog.deafread.com/abcohende/2007/10/10/asl-music-an-oxymoron/#comment-1301 1st, i love the way you sign. Its so clear and precise. I'm hearing and sometimes my eyes just glaze over when people sign too fast or the signs all run together, but yours was beautiful! 2nd, I completely agree that interpreting music using signed english is not ASL music. As an interpreter at my church it is something that my ministry stuggles with constantly because we are always trying to convey the meaning of the song and not just the words and sometimes that is so hard to do. I am trying to become better at getting the concept of the song across and not just the lyrics. 1st, i love the way you sign. Its so clear and precise. I’m hearing and sometimes my eyes just glaze over when people sign too fast or the signs all run together, but yours was beautiful!
2nd, I completely agree that interpreting music using signed english is not ASL music. As an interpreter at my church it is something that my ministry stuggles with constantly because we are always trying to convey the meaning of the song and not just the words and sometimes that is so hard to do. I am trying to become better at getting the concept of the song across and not just the lyrics.

]]> By: DZ http://www.deafeyeseeit.com/2007/10/10/asl-music-an-oxymoron/comment-page-1/#comment-1299 DZ Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:49:06 +0000 http://blog.deafread.com/abcohende/2007/10/10/asl-music-an-oxymoron/#comment-1299 I strongly disagree with your perspective of ASL vs music. I go to church every Sunday and there is signed music so I can feel I am part of the congregation. I strongly disagree with your perspective of ASL vs music. I go to church every Sunday and there is signed music so I can feel I am part of the congregation.

]]> By: piper7 http://www.deafeyeseeit.com/2007/10/10/asl-music-an-oxymoron/comment-page-1/#comment-1298 piper7 Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:35:58 +0000 http://blog.deafread.com/abcohende/2007/10/10/asl-music-an-oxymoron/#comment-1298 OK this doesn't have a lot to do with the other comments but I love your vlogs, they're helping me learn ASL, grin. Thanks! OK this doesn’t have a lot to do with the other comments but I love your vlogs, they’re helping me learn ASL, grin. Thanks!

]]> By: Is ASL Music an Oxymoron? - AllDeaf.com http://www.deafeyeseeit.com/2007/10/10/asl-music-an-oxymoron/comment-page-1/#comment-1297 Is ASL Music an Oxymoron? - AllDeaf.com Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:45:52 +0000 http://blog.deafread.com/abcohende/2007/10/10/asl-music-an-oxymoron/#comment-1297 [...] ASL Music an Oxymoron? Amy's Vlog What do you think? __________________ "The democracy will cease to exist when you take [...] [...] ASL Music an Oxymoron? Amy’s Vlog What do you think? __________________ "The democracy will cease to exist when you take [...]

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