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	<title>Comments on: The Greatest Irony / Voice Interpreted &#8211; Encore Presentation!</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.deafeyeseeit.com/2007/07/25/the-greatest-irony-voice-interpreted-encore-presentation/comment-page-2/#comment-806</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bobby (and a few others)

You seem to have been falsely informed that those who use ASL as a first language automatically have poor English skills, do poorly in school, and poorly in sports, and have limited opportunities for their future.

The ONLY thing that would limit an ASL user is the inability of others to be able to understand and accommodate them. A deaf child who has parents who refuse to learn sign to communicate with them, and then has poor teachers who also do not sign well will of course not be as competent as children who have parents and teachers who sign fluently.

Also...it is proven that deaf children who use ASL as a first language, develop spoken language quicker once implanted then those who did not use ASL as a first language.

And of course...there is the Swedish model that proves that bilingual/bicultural education can be very successful, as long as parents and teachers sign fluently. Sweden now has a mandatory law that requires parents of deaf children to learn sign, and for teachers to be fluent in sign. The result is that deaf children who sign are equal if not more advanced then their hearing peers.

Also, those who use ASL and are bilingual/bicultural can and often do also use CIs and hearing aids, which gives them even more access to both worlds.

I&#039;m sorry you&#039;ve been misinformed. But English and ASL can both exist in a Deaf child, and the Deaf child can be fluent in both and be completely successful in both school and sports, and whatever career they eventually get into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobby (and a few others)</p>
<p>You seem to have been falsely informed that those who use ASL as a first language automatically have poor English skills, do poorly in school, and poorly in sports, and have limited opportunities for their future.</p>
<p>The ONLY thing that would limit an ASL user is the inability of others to be able to understand and accommodate them. A deaf child who has parents who refuse to learn sign to communicate with them, and then has poor teachers who also do not sign well will of course not be as competent as children who have parents and teachers who sign fluently.</p>
<p>Also&#8230;it is proven that deaf children who use ASL as a first language, develop spoken language quicker once implanted then those who did not use ASL as a first language.</p>
<p>And of course&#8230;there is the Swedish model that proves that bilingual/bicultural education can be very successful, as long as parents and teachers sign fluently. Sweden now has a mandatory law that requires parents of deaf children to learn sign, and for teachers to be fluent in sign. The result is that deaf children who sign are equal if not more advanced then their hearing peers.</p>
<p>Also, those who use ASL and are bilingual/bicultural can and often do also use CIs and hearing aids, which gives them even more access to both worlds.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry you&#8217;ve been misinformed. But English and ASL can both exist in a Deaf child, and the Deaf child can be fluent in both and be completely successful in both school and sports, and whatever career they eventually get into.</p>
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		<title>By: Bilingual-ASL and English &#187; Amy Cohen Efron lit the &#8220;fire&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bilingual-ASL and English &#187; Amy Cohen Efron lit the &#8220;fire&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 02:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
		<link>http://www.deafeyeseeit.com/2007/07/25/the-greatest-irony-voice-interpreted-encore-presentation/comment-page-2/#comment-804</link>
		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 00:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is your comment on the site below?
http://www.hearingexchange.com/blogs/?p=70.</description>
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<a href="http://www.hearingexchange.com/blogs/?p=70" rel="nofollow">http://www.hearingexchange.com/blogs/?p=70</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
		<link>http://www.deafeyeseeit.com/2007/07/25/the-greatest-irony-voice-interpreted-encore-presentation/comment-page-2/#comment-796</link>
		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have any other AVT therapists expressed the same conclusions?  I could be mistaken, but this came from the parent after a visit with the therapist not from the therapist. When do you think we can expect to see the research data that will support or deny this observation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have any other AVT therapists expressed the same conclusions?  I could be mistaken, but this came from the parent after a visit with the therapist not from the therapist. When do you think we can expect to see the research data that will support or deny this observation?</p>
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		<title>By: abcohende</title>
		<link>http://www.deafeyeseeit.com/2007/07/25/the-greatest-irony-voice-interpreted-encore-presentation/comment-page-2/#comment-800</link>
		<dc:creator>abcohende</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Elaine,


Please refer to one blog, and it is a professional observation and statement from the AVT therapist...

&quot;It hasn&#039;t even been two months yet since his activation, so the (AVT) therapist is naturally pleased with his progress, then she something really interesting. She said that he was catching on quickly and that she&#039;s starting to notice that consistently kids who have signed before their CI catch on more quickly than kids who don&#039;t, probably because they have a language base. To which my thought is duh. I love that she is noticing this &lt;b&gt;empirically&lt;/b&gt;, though. And then she said, &quot;it&#039;s a difficult position [being a parent]. I always thought that if I was in that situation I would just go to listening, but now I&#039;m not so sure.&quot;

http://covblogs.com/diber/archives/022140.html

If this AVT therapist is noticing this empirically, and I do really want to see research published on that, and unfortunately the fact is that most research are one-sided and favors one specific ideology.

I will assure you that there will be research data coming up which will support this AVT&#039;s observations.

Thank you for asking me where is &#039;your appropriate data?&#039; and please keep your mind open and explore possible benefits of having visual language early as possible, just like babies who can hear benefit getting Baby Signs early as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Elaine,</p>
<p>Please refer to one blog, and it is a professional observation and statement from the AVT therapist&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;It hasn&#8217;t even been two months yet since his activation, so the (AVT) therapist is naturally pleased with his progress, then she something really interesting. She said that he was catching on quickly and that she&#8217;s starting to notice that consistently kids who have signed before their CI catch on more quickly than kids who don&#8217;t, probably because they have a language base. To which my thought is duh. I love that she is noticing this <b>empirically</b>, though. And then she said, &#8220;it&#8217;s a difficult position [being a parent]. I always thought that if I was in that situation I would just go to listening, but now I&#8217;m not so sure.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://covblogs.com/diber/archives/022140.html" rel="nofollow">http://covblogs.com/diber/archives/022140.html</a></p>
<p>If this AVT therapist is noticing this empirically, and I do really want to see research published on that, and unfortunately the fact is that most research are one-sided and favors one specific ideology.</p>
<p>I will assure you that there will be research data coming up which will support this AVT&#8217;s observations.</p>
<p>Thank you for asking me where is &#8216;your appropriate data?&#8217; and please keep your mind open and explore possible benefits of having visual language early as possible, just like babies who can hear benefit getting Baby Signs early as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
		<link>http://www.deafeyeseeit.com/2007/07/25/the-greatest-irony-voice-interpreted-encore-presentation/comment-page-2/#comment-799</link>
		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say,in your response &quot;More findings indicate that Deaf children who were exposed to American Sign Language first, then received cochlear implant at age of 2 or 3, and undergone the AVT sessions, are speaking much faster, clearer and made quicker progress than other Deaf children who are not exposed to ASL first.&quot; Where is your appropriate data?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say,in your response &#8220;More findings indicate that Deaf children who were exposed to American Sign Language first, then received cochlear implant at age of 2 or 3, and undergone the AVT sessions, are speaking much faster, clearer and made quicker progress than other Deaf children who are not exposed to ASL first.&#8221; Where is your appropriate data?</p>
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		<title>By: DEAF WORLD AS EYE SEE IT &#187; &#8220;The Good Wife&#8217;s (or Deaf Child&#8217;s) Guide&#8221; : A Satirical Twist</title>
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		<dc:creator>DEAF WORLD AS EYE SEE IT &#187; &#8220;The Good Wife&#8217;s (or Deaf Child&#8217;s) Guide&#8221; : A Satirical Twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 02:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bahl&#8217;s guilty verdict, Jane K. Fernandes&#8217; quote : &#8221; I am not Deaf enough&#8221;, and the irony of using Baby Signs for babies who can hear, but Deaf babies are taught with the auditory verbal [...]</description>
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		<title>By: abcohende</title>
		<link>http://www.deafeyeseeit.com/2007/07/25/the-greatest-irony-voice-interpreted-encore-presentation/comment-page-2/#comment-802</link>
		<dc:creator>abcohende</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elaine,

Never in my videoclip that I said that Deaf children who  receives AVT approach are &quot;broken&quot;, and I am emphasizing the importance of language development at early age as possible.

We both are genuinely concerned about the child&#039;s language development, however we have a different views.

I believe that children who are exposed to sign langugage, especially American Sign Language as early as possible along with the AVT approach can be considered the logical thing to do for a child.

I am surprised that you would say &quot;from what I understand signing can be learned at any age&quot;, and indeed it happened for so many years that Deaf children who were subjected to restrictive oral approach first, then two or three years later, they were unable to continue to make a progress.   Then teaching sign language later is a very cruel thing to do with a child, because this child is missing the window of opportunity to acquire a language!   Many of us are struggling with it right now.

Language is not a learned thing for everyone, it is supposed to be a natural phenomena for all of us to be exposed/acquired.

You are emphasizing that listening and speaking are superior than sign languages just because the expectations of the child to assimilate to the society where they expects Deaf children to act just like all of us.  I&#039;m sorry I don&#039;t buy this anymore.  It is just wrong.

More findings indicate that Deaf children who were exposed to American Sign Language first, then received cochlear implant at age of 2 or 3, and undergone the AVT sessions, are speaking much faster, clearer and made quicker progress than other Deaf children who are not exposed to ASL first.

What is WRONG of having BOTH at the earliest possible age? No one is able to refute this yet, with appropriate data findings from an actual studies.  All I&#039;ve been hearing that &#039;if you expose the child any visual cues (speechreading, lipreading, sign language) during the AVT approach) will impede the development of auditory channel.

OH PLLLEEEAASSSEEEEEE!

That is the most illogical argument I&#039;ve ever heard and I&#039;ll definitely question the validity of the data findings that comes up with this kind of conclusion.

Lastly - what is WRONG of adding ASL to the AVT process?

Amy Cohen Efron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elaine,</p>
<p>Never in my videoclip that I said that Deaf children who  receives AVT approach are &#8220;broken&#8221;, and I am emphasizing the importance of language development at early age as possible.</p>
<p>We both are genuinely concerned about the child&#8217;s language development, however we have a different views.</p>
<p>I believe that children who are exposed to sign langugage, especially American Sign Language as early as possible along with the AVT approach can be considered the logical thing to do for a child.</p>
<p>I am surprised that you would say &#8220;from what I understand signing can be learned at any age&#8221;, and indeed it happened for so many years that Deaf children who were subjected to restrictive oral approach first, then two or three years later, they were unable to continue to make a progress.   Then teaching sign language later is a very cruel thing to do with a child, because this child is missing the window of opportunity to acquire a language!   Many of us are struggling with it right now.</p>
<p>Language is not a learned thing for everyone, it is supposed to be a natural phenomena for all of us to be exposed/acquired.</p>
<p>You are emphasizing that listening and speaking are superior than sign languages just because the expectations of the child to assimilate to the society where they expects Deaf children to act just like all of us.  I&#8217;m sorry I don&#8217;t buy this anymore.  It is just wrong.</p>
<p>More findings indicate that Deaf children who were exposed to American Sign Language first, then received cochlear implant at age of 2 or 3, and undergone the AVT sessions, are speaking much faster, clearer and made quicker progress than other Deaf children who are not exposed to ASL first.</p>
<p>What is WRONG of having BOTH at the earliest possible age? No one is able to refute this yet, with appropriate data findings from an actual studies.  All I&#8217;ve been hearing that &#8216;if you expose the child any visual cues (speechreading, lipreading, sign language) during the AVT approach) will impede the development of auditory channel.</p>
<p>OH PLLLEEEAASSSEEEEEE!</p>
<p>That is the most illogical argument I&#8217;ve ever heard and I&#8217;ll definitely question the validity of the data findings that comes up with this kind of conclusion.</p>
<p>Lastly &#8211; what is WRONG of adding ASL to the AVT process?</p>
<p>Amy Cohen Efron</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine</title>
		<link>http://www.deafeyeseeit.com/2007/07/25/the-greatest-irony-voice-interpreted-encore-presentation/comment-page-2/#comment-798</link>
		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 06:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Children of AVT are not &quot;broken&quot;, but rather children with hearing loss and or deafness are missing a very important link to the hearing world. The hearing world is in the mainstream and unless some major catostrophic occurance arrives will always be the mainstream. To limit a child&#039;s ability to access that world, in my opinion, is to keep them in a world with limited possibilities. AVT can and does work for many, it does not claim to be for all. Any AVT therapist who is good at what they do will recognize when a child is unable to continue to make progress and will recommend that they be taught sign language. Just as the hearing population can become bilingual at any age, so to can many of the people with hearing loss. If somethings are not learned and or heard by certain ages they can never be learned. From what I understand signing can be learned at any age, so why limit the ability to acquire hearing and spoken language? At best, learning to listen is a difficult task for many children with or without a hearing loss, but living in a society that puts limits on who can participate in that society is not one I would wish on any child.  Give every person the ability to make a choice for themselves when the time is right for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Children of AVT are not &#8220;broken&#8221;, but rather children with hearing loss and or deafness are missing a very important link to the hearing world. The hearing world is in the mainstream and unless some major catostrophic occurance arrives will always be the mainstream. To limit a child&#8217;s ability to access that world, in my opinion, is to keep them in a world with limited possibilities. AVT can and does work for many, it does not claim to be for all. Any AVT therapist who is good at what they do will recognize when a child is unable to continue to make progress and will recommend that they be taught sign language. Just as the hearing population can become bilingual at any age, so to can many of the people with hearing loss. If somethings are not learned and or heard by certain ages they can never be learned. From what I understand signing can be learned at any age, so why limit the ability to acquire hearing and spoken language? At best, learning to listen is a difficult task for many children with or without a hearing loss, but living in a society that puts limits on who can participate in that society is not one I would wish on any child.  Give every person the ability to make a choice for themselves when the time is right for them.</p>
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		<title>By: ALAN JEFFERS</title>
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		<dc:creator>ALAN JEFFERS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AWSOME, GOOD FOR BABIES LEARN WITH SIGN LANGAUGE FROM ATV UMMM ONE THINGS TALK ABOUT BABIES WITH CI REALLY I DONT LIKE IDEA START ON 6 MONTHS OLD BECAUSE WHEN IT PUT IN CI 6 MONTHS OLD AND CHILDREN WILL GROW UP AND WHAT SIZE OF CI ???? CAUSE IT WILL BE GONE LIKE PEABRAIN CI IT SHOULD BE WAIT UNTIL 7 YRS OLD BETWEEN TEENAGER MIGHT GET CI BETTER SIZE CI  DUE SAVE MONEY $$$$$ DON&quot;T SPENT  WASTE REPLACE AGAIN CI ASL WILL BE GOOD FOR BABIES BEGINING WILL GROW UP BECAME SKILLS ASL BETTER</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AWSOME, GOOD FOR BABIES LEARN WITH SIGN LANGAUGE FROM ATV UMMM ONE THINGS TALK ABOUT BABIES WITH CI REALLY I DONT LIKE IDEA START ON 6 MONTHS OLD BECAUSE WHEN IT PUT IN CI 6 MONTHS OLD AND CHILDREN WILL GROW UP AND WHAT SIZE OF CI ???? CAUSE IT WILL BE GONE LIKE PEABRAIN CI IT SHOULD BE WAIT UNTIL 7 YRS OLD BETWEEN TEENAGER MIGHT GET CI BETTER SIZE CI  DUE SAVE MONEY $$$$$ DON&#8221;T SPENT  WASTE REPLACE AGAIN CI ASL WILL BE GOOD FOR BABIES BEGINING WILL GROW UP BECAME SKILLS ASL BETTER</p>
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